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		<title>By: Glynn Wilson</title>
		<link>http://blog.locustfork.net/2009/09/the-law-is-what-the-king-says-it-is/comment-page-1/#comment-3361</link>
		<dc:creator>Glynn Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 21:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every president comes into office in Washington with the “dream” to do politics differently, to have more bipartisanship, blah, blah…

That is not possible with guys like Glenn Beck alive and ranting on TeeVee in the world…

So the first step in your revolution would have to begin with putting Fox News out of business, which is not likely to happen because it is funded by Corporate and Christian America … and after eight years of Bush, they have ALL the money!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every president comes into office in Washington with the “dream” to do politics differently, to have more bipartisanship, blah, blah…</p>
<p>That is not possible with guys like Glenn Beck alive and ranting on TeeVee in the world…</p>
<p>So the first step in your revolution would have to begin with putting Fox News out of business, which is not likely to happen because it is funded by Corporate and Christian America … and after eight years of Bush, they have ALL the money!</p>
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		<title>By: Yana Davis</title>
		<link>http://blog.locustfork.net/2009/09/the-law-is-what-the-king-says-it-is/comment-page-1/#comment-3360</link>
		<dc:creator>Yana Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 22:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In his farewell address, George Washington specifically warned against factionalism - political parties and interest groups competing for power. Like Rousseau, he believed that this would negate the full potential benefits possible with a republic.

If fighting among factions is inevitable, then something is amiss since it is possible to figure out the best things for government to do, and not do, in any given situation, given that (a) adherence to certain basic principles is desired and (b) the common good, and not just the good of particular interest groups, is the underlying principle.

A central problem with American democracy today is that we think the fighting between interest groups is a good thing because it shows we have a &quot;healthy political process.&quot; Actually, it shows we cannot come to agreement even on matters which actually do affect everyone. That&#039;s an odd defintion for healthy process.

Our original mission as a nation, according to the Declaration of Independence, was to guarantee &quot;life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness&quot; to all. While the specifics of that are open to interpretation, the generalities are fairly clear. The problem comes in when a partisan, as opposed to consensus-based, process is used to arrive at policy decisions.

When policy is partisan-driven, the common good goes out the window because, by definition, partisans present their own policy ideas as the best approximation of the common good. Rational analysis of most policies proposed by the left or right today would demonstrate they serve not the common or general good, as government is intended to do by the U.S. Constitution, but the private benefit of a specified subset of the population.

Can we have social safety net programs, such as something like universal health care, that abide by this principle of the common good and at very least hurt no one? I believe it is possible, but not possible if it is born through a &quot;warfare&quot; process of partisanship. In the latter event, it will bear the marks, and have the quality, of the process that gave it birth.

And that is the very problem at the root of most government activity today, the very process by which it creates and implements policy, is itself flawed. It can produce nothing other than continued &quot;warfare&quot; as it agitates and exacerbates special interest group interest differences continually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In his farewell address, George Washington specifically warned against factionalism &#8211; political parties and interest groups competing for power. Like Rousseau, he believed that this would negate the full potential benefits possible with a republic.</p>
<p>If fighting among factions is inevitable, then something is amiss since it is possible to figure out the best things for government to do, and not do, in any given situation, given that (a) adherence to certain basic principles is desired and (b) the common good, and not just the good of particular interest groups, is the underlying principle.</p>
<p>A central problem with American democracy today is that we think the fighting between interest groups is a good thing because it shows we have a &#8220;healthy political process.&#8221; Actually, it shows we cannot come to agreement even on matters which actually do affect everyone. That&#8217;s an odd defintion for healthy process.</p>
<p>Our original mission as a nation, according to the Declaration of Independence, was to guarantee &#8220;life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness&#8221; to all. While the specifics of that are open to interpretation, the generalities are fairly clear. The problem comes in when a partisan, as opposed to consensus-based, process is used to arrive at policy decisions.</p>
<p>When policy is partisan-driven, the common good goes out the window because, by definition, partisans present their own policy ideas as the best approximation of the common good. Rational analysis of most policies proposed by the left or right today would demonstrate they serve not the common or general good, as government is intended to do by the U.S. Constitution, but the private benefit of a specified subset of the population.</p>
<p>Can we have social safety net programs, such as something like universal health care, that abide by this principle of the common good and at very least hurt no one? I believe it is possible, but not possible if it is born through a &#8220;warfare&#8221; process of partisanship. In the latter event, it will bear the marks, and have the quality, of the process that gave it birth.</p>
<p>And that is the very problem at the root of most government activity today, the very process by which it creates and implements policy, is itself flawed. It can produce nothing other than continued &#8220;warfare&#8221; as it agitates and exacerbates special interest group interest differences continually.</p>
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		<title>By: Glynn Wilson</title>
		<link>http://blog.locustfork.net/2009/09/the-law-is-what-the-king-says-it-is/comment-page-1/#comment-3359</link>
		<dc:creator>Glynn Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point here is that politics should be removed from the law and justice as far as possible. The U.S. Constitution provides for that. But during the Bush rein, we slid back toward monarchy, thanks in part to the Machiavellian political philosophy of Karl Rove -- who had tremendous influence on Bush as well as political races in Alabama.

In such a diverse country, fighting among factions is inevitable. The only way to end that i know of would be a totalitarian dictatorship, which is not acceptable and we should never tolerate it here, although we came close under Bush. The only institution that saved us, barely, during his eight long years in office was the U.S. Senate.

We used to be able to count on the federal courts for impartiality and to step into a breech when politicians were too afraid for their hides. Thanks to Bush, and the politicization of the DoJ and the courts, we can no longer count on the courts. It will take two Obama terms and more to reverse that and replace all the so-called &quot;conservative&quot; judges, who came onto the bench with the litmus test not to be &quot;activist judges&quot; or &quot;legislate from the bench.&quot;

Both of those Karl Rove terms re-framed the debate about the role of the courts in this country. Behind that re-framing was the mega-corporate interest in getting the courts and juries out of their affairs so run amok corporate capitalism could completely takeover and turn this county into an oligopoly, not the social democracy and egalitarian society envisioned at the time the Constitution was written.

We don&#039;t necessarily need a massive re-thinking of how to re-structure our political system, although there is nothing wrong with thinking and writing about that. We just need to find a way to get back on track with the original mission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point here is that politics should be removed from the law and justice as far as possible. The U.S. Constitution provides for that. But during the Bush rein, we slid back toward monarchy, thanks in part to the Machiavellian political philosophy of Karl Rove &#8212; who had tremendous influence on Bush as well as political races in Alabama.</p>
<p>In such a diverse country, fighting among factions is inevitable. The only way to end that i know of would be a totalitarian dictatorship, which is not acceptable and we should never tolerate it here, although we came close under Bush. The only institution that saved us, barely, during his eight long years in office was the U.S. Senate.</p>
<p>We used to be able to count on the federal courts for impartiality and to step into a breech when politicians were too afraid for their hides. Thanks to Bush, and the politicization of the DoJ and the courts, we can no longer count on the courts. It will take two Obama terms and more to reverse that and replace all the so-called &#8220;conservative&#8221; judges, who came onto the bench with the litmus test not to be &#8220;activist judges&#8221; or &#8220;legislate from the bench.&#8221;</p>
<p>Both of those Karl Rove terms re-framed the debate about the role of the courts in this country. Behind that re-framing was the mega-corporate interest in getting the courts and juries out of their affairs so run amok corporate capitalism could completely takeover and turn this county into an oligopoly, not the social democracy and egalitarian society envisioned at the time the Constitution was written.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t necessarily need a massive re-thinking of how to re-structure our political system, although there is nothing wrong with thinking and writing about that. We just need to find a way to get back on track with the original mission.</p>
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		<title>By: Yana Davis</title>
		<link>http://blog.locustfork.net/2009/09/the-law-is-what-the-king-says-it-is/comment-page-1/#comment-3358</link>
		<dc:creator>Yana Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 14:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a longer-range perspective on where politics are leading us - and I say this with all seriousness - read either the &quot;Foundation&quot; trilogy of Asimov or the &quot;Dune&quot; series by Herbert, or all of them.

Oddly, or perhaps not, many science fiction writers have a superb perspective on history and its trends. Maybe that&#039;s because, in the case of far-flung epics set in the future, they have to invent hundreds or thousands of years of history and the cultures to go along with it. Hence, they become fastidious students of real history.

Where is politics leading us, in fact? My own view, borne both from studying real history and the fictional variety found in science fiction, is that we&#039;re not headed to a good place. There are all kinds of parallels to the early days of the Roman Empire, and to other periods where relative freedom was abandoned in favor of an authoritarian regime.

I have often described Washington politics as &quot;Byzantine,&quot; referring to the latter centuries of the old Eastern Roman Empire, which ended when the Turks took Constantinople (now Istanbul) in 1452. The later Eastern Empire featured many of the same problems we have now: a bloated bureaucracy, endless intrigue and wrangling at the top of the political class, lack of morals and ethics in the ruling class, and so forth.

In both cases - the authoritarian coups of the first two Caesars, Julius and Octavian - that ended the Roman Republic - and the last centuries of the Eastern Empire over a millenium later - original principles and ethics were sacrificed for what was perceived to be security and safety. As it turned out, the Romans, and later the Greeks and other peoples of the Eastern Mediterranean, got neither. What they ended up with was despotism, antecedents to a long Dark Ages in Europe featuring nearly endless warfare that continued pretty much until the 20th century.

That&#039;s somewhere between 15 and 20 centuries of mayhem and madness, with an occasional respite, and untold millions of innocent deaths, as well nearly continuous repression of human freedom.

Is there a better way? I believe so. The better way would be to restructure &quot;politics&quot; so that it ceases to be factional interest group warfare into something I call &quot;concentrics&quot; or governance by consensus along the lines envisioned in the constitution of the Iroquoian Confederacy of the mid-1700s. There are also other adjustments that would help, but that&#039;s the main paradigm shift needed.

Otherwise, we could time travel to 100 years from now and the same interest group warfare will still be in progress, if we haven&#039;t in fact had a new authoritarianism take over, a la the latter-day aristocrats of the Dune novels or the charismatic &quot;Mule&quot; of the Foundation trilogy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a longer-range perspective on where politics are leading us &#8211; and I say this with all seriousness &#8211; read either the &#8220;Foundation&#8221; trilogy of Asimov or the &#8220;Dune&#8221; series by Herbert, or all of them.</p>
<p>Oddly, or perhaps not, many science fiction writers have a superb perspective on history and its trends. Maybe that&#8217;s because, in the case of far-flung epics set in the future, they have to invent hundreds or thousands of years of history and the cultures to go along with it. Hence, they become fastidious students of real history.</p>
<p>Where is politics leading us, in fact? My own view, borne both from studying real history and the fictional variety found in science fiction, is that we&#8217;re not headed to a good place. There are all kinds of parallels to the early days of the Roman Empire, and to other periods where relative freedom was abandoned in favor of an authoritarian regime.</p>
<p>I have often described Washington politics as &#8220;Byzantine,&#8221; referring to the latter centuries of the old Eastern Roman Empire, which ended when the Turks took Constantinople (now Istanbul) in 1452. The later Eastern Empire featured many of the same problems we have now: a bloated bureaucracy, endless intrigue and wrangling at the top of the political class, lack of morals and ethics in the ruling class, and so forth.</p>
<p>In both cases &#8211; the authoritarian coups of the first two Caesars, Julius and Octavian &#8211; that ended the Roman Republic &#8211; and the last centuries of the Eastern Empire over a millenium later &#8211; original principles and ethics were sacrificed for what was perceived to be security and safety. As it turned out, the Romans, and later the Greeks and other peoples of the Eastern Mediterranean, got neither. What they ended up with was despotism, antecedents to a long Dark Ages in Europe featuring nearly endless warfare that continued pretty much until the 20th century.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s somewhere between 15 and 20 centuries of mayhem and madness, with an occasional respite, and untold millions of innocent deaths, as well nearly continuous repression of human freedom.</p>
<p>Is there a better way? I believe so. The better way would be to restructure &#8220;politics&#8221; so that it ceases to be factional interest group warfare into something I call &#8220;concentrics&#8221; or governance by consensus along the lines envisioned in the constitution of the Iroquoian Confederacy of the mid-1700s. There are also other adjustments that would help, but that&#8217;s the main paradigm shift needed.</p>
<p>Otherwise, we could time travel to 100 years from now and the same interest group warfare will still be in progress, if we haven&#8217;t in fact had a new authoritarianism take over, a la the latter-day aristocrats of the Dune novels or the charismatic &#8220;Mule&#8221; of the Foundation trilogy.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Dale</title>
		<link>http://blog.locustfork.net/2009/09/the-law-is-what-the-king-says-it-is/comment-page-1/#comment-3357</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 00:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am glad you had the intestinal fortitude to read the whole thing. I did not get past the first two pages. What a commentary on our legal system..it is perfectly ok to imprison someone because of technicalities established by precedent even though it is compellingly obvious that illegal acts by the prosecution before and during the trial put that person there. Clearly justice is not the concern here. I wonder how many innocent people are in prison today because of similar circumstances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am glad you had the intestinal fortitude to read the whole thing. I did not get past the first two pages. What a commentary on our legal system..it is perfectly ok to imprison someone because of technicalities established by precedent even though it is compellingly obvious that illegal acts by the prosecution before and during the trial put that person there. Clearly justice is not the concern here. I wonder how many innocent people are in prison today because of similar circumstances.</p>
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