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		<title>By: The Locust Fork News-Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Congress Should Sub Justice Act for Patriot Act</title>
		<link>http://blog.locustfork.net/2008/08/can-the-constitution-survive-politics-without-principle/comment-page-1/#comment-1818</link>
		<dc:creator>The Locust Fork News-Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Congress Should Sub Justice Act for Patriot Act</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Last week, 10 US Senators introduced the perfect vehicle for reform of the surveillance powers in the PATRIOT Act, as well as the much broader and more dangerous FISA Amendments Act (FAA), the warrantless surveillance law that was passed by Congress last summer. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Last week, 10 US Senators introduced the perfect vehicle for reform of the surveillance powers in the PATRIOT Act, as well as the much broader and more dangerous FISA Amendments Act (FAA), the warrantless surveillance law that was passed by Congress last summer. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Locust Fork Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Fourth Amendment Rights Hang in the Balance</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Locust Fork Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Fourth Amendment Rights Hang in the Balance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Can the Constitution Survive Politics Without Principle? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: king county elections</title>
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		<dc:creator>king county elections</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 03:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] gray slacks and a blue buttoned-down shirt, Davis showed up to shake some hands at the Birmingham http://blog.locustfork.net/2008/08/18/can-the-constitution-survive-politics-without-principle/Voter Registration - King County ElectionsLearn how to register to vote in king county ... king [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Glynn Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glynn Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our response:

It may not be the &quot;law of the land,&quot; Mr. Davis, but as you know from dealing with the Bush Justice Department scandal in the Siegelman case, the law does not matter to Bush and co. And that also goes for the Riley-King administration in Alabama, where we have it on good authority that the governor himself likes to spend a good bit of his time involved in spying on his enemies -- using the Google Earth-Virtual Alabama system.

You may not be aware of this program, or be clued into all the details. As our representative in Congress, you should be.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.waaytv.com/global/story.asp?s=8859061&amp;ClientType=Printable&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Alabama Homeland Security Wins Unprecedented 5th National Award for Virtual Alabama System&lt;/a&gt;

And even though the mainstream daily press in this state has not written one disparaging word about it, this is not just for hurricanes and chemical spills. Anyone with a government e-mail address, federal, state or local, can access it, along with workers for Alabama Power and ATnT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our response:</p>
<p>It may not be the &#8220;law of the land,&#8221; Mr. Davis, but as you know from dealing with the Bush Justice Department scandal in the Siegelman case, the law does not matter to Bush and co. And that also goes for the Riley-King administration in Alabama, where we have it on good authority that the governor himself likes to spend a good bit of his time involved in spying on his enemies &#8212; using the Google Earth-Virtual Alabama system.</p>
<p>You may not be aware of this program, or be clued into all the details. As our representative in Congress, you should be.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.waaytv.com/global/story.asp?s=8859061&#038;ClientType=Printable" rel="nofollow">Alabama Homeland Security Wins Unprecedented 5th National Award for Virtual Alabama System</a></p>
<p>And even though the mainstream daily press in this state has not written one disparaging word about it, this is not just for hurricanes and chemical spills. Anyone with a government e-mail address, federal, state or local, can access it, along with workers for Alabama Power and ATnT.</p>
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		<title>By: Glynn Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glynn Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Several hours after this story was posted, Sarah Kate Sullivan from Davis&#039;s office sent us this letter, addressed to the &lt;em&gt;Birmingham Weekly&lt;/em&gt;, a little-known alternative weekly newspaper mostly distributed on Southside. The letter still does not address our chief concerns, which would be a detailed answer to the question: How does this FISA bill REALLY protect our civil liberties?

Our interview with Davis and story above explains it better, but this is his position:

&lt;strong&gt;Letter to the Editor:&lt;/strong&gt;

I was disappointed that a recent column in the Weekly distorted my support, and by extension, the support of Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi, for the FISA wiretapping statute that Congress just passed.  If this column were your only source of information, you might conclude that a spineless crew of Democrats had cravenly abandoned the Fourth Amendment, and that as a result, warrantless wiretapping was now the law of the land.

The facts are altogether different. The new FISA law requires, with no exception, that any wiretap targeting an American citizen requires a warrant, and that the standard is the high burden of “probable cause” required for non-terrorist criminal activity. The new statute also makes it clear that the special FISA courts must supervise and approve the methods for any electronic surveillance program for national security purposes, even when it is aimed at non-Americans who are living abroad.

While it is true that the telecommunications industry has been immunized from being sued for participating in the Bush Administration’s surveillance program, very few legal scholars believe that a company could have been successfully sued for relying on the government’s legal representations.  Therefore, the most the immunity preventions do is avoid clogging the courts with suits that had little practical chance of success.

The legislation is not perfect, and neither Democrats nor Republicans acting alone would have written it as it is.  Many Republicans have argued that American citizens suspected of terrorist activity should not receive the same protections as other suspected criminals: the adoption of the “probable cause” standard for surveillance of U.S. citizens means that the Republicans lost big on this point.  In fairness, some Democrats do not trust the emergency provisions, which allow warrantless wiretapping for up to seven days in the event of a declared national crisis.

But it is wrong to mimic the Bush tactics and suggest that there is only one responsible way to look at this debate and that only a civil liberties weakling could vote for this compromise. Barack Obama is no Bush sympathizer, and Nancy Pelosi has consistently resisted this administration’s assault on constitutional values.  I think they both got it right on FISA, and I am glad that I voted with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several hours after this story was posted, Sarah Kate Sullivan from Davis&#8217;s office sent us this letter, addressed to the <em>Birmingham Weekly</em>, a little-known alternative weekly newspaper mostly distributed on Southside. The letter still does not address our chief concerns, which would be a detailed answer to the question: How does this FISA bill REALLY protect our civil liberties?</p>
<p>Our interview with Davis and story above explains it better, but this is his position:</p>
<p><strong>Letter to the Editor:</strong></p>
<p>I was disappointed that a recent column in the Weekly distorted my support, and by extension, the support of Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi, for the FISA wiretapping statute that Congress just passed.  If this column were your only source of information, you might conclude that a spineless crew of Democrats had cravenly abandoned the Fourth Amendment, and that as a result, warrantless wiretapping was now the law of the land.</p>
<p>The facts are altogether different. The new FISA law requires, with no exception, that any wiretap targeting an American citizen requires a warrant, and that the standard is the high burden of “probable cause” required for non-terrorist criminal activity. The new statute also makes it clear that the special FISA courts must supervise and approve the methods for any electronic surveillance program for national security purposes, even when it is aimed at non-Americans who are living abroad.</p>
<p>While it is true that the telecommunications industry has been immunized from being sued for participating in the Bush Administration’s surveillance program, very few legal scholars believe that a company could have been successfully sued for relying on the government’s legal representations.  Therefore, the most the immunity preventions do is avoid clogging the courts with suits that had little practical chance of success.</p>
<p>The legislation is not perfect, and neither Democrats nor Republicans acting alone would have written it as it is.  Many Republicans have argued that American citizens suspected of terrorist activity should not receive the same protections as other suspected criminals: the adoption of the “probable cause” standard for surveillance of U.S. citizens means that the Republicans lost big on this point.  In fairness, some Democrats do not trust the emergency provisions, which allow warrantless wiretapping for up to seven days in the event of a declared national crisis.</p>
<p>But it is wrong to mimic the Bush tactics and suggest that there is only one responsible way to look at this debate and that only a civil liberties weakling could vote for this compromise. Barack Obama is no Bush sympathizer, and Nancy Pelosi has consistently resisted this administration’s assault on constitutional values.  I think they both got it right on FISA, and I am glad that I voted with them.</p>
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